No, we aren't. At least I'm not. Here I'm simply stating that skeptics often think that the Bible was supposed to invent pi when what was used was sufficient. This isn't a case of scientific accuracy or factual error. I can show you where the Bible is actually erroneous. That isn't the issue here.
Respectfully, this is a misrepresentation. No one is claiming the Bible should have invented pi. The issue is simpler: the Bible presents a numerical relationship (diameter 10, circumference 30) that yields π = 3, which is mathematically incorrect. Whether that value was “sufficient” for construction doesn’t change the fact that it’s false.
If you’re saying the Bible sometimes contains errors but just not this one, that’s a different claim—but then the burden is on you to show why this mathematically wrong ratio is not an error. Because by every modern and ancient geometric standard, it is.
It wasn't necessary. Why doesn't God wave a magic wand and fix all of ancient Israel's immediate problems more relevant than a mathematical curiosity? Why can't God see into the future? Why couldn't Jesus just have healed everyone and gotten rid of everyone else? We can speculate what God could and couldn't do mathematically, but it seems pointless to me.
This response avoids the issue entirely. Whether or not God needed to fix Israel’s problems or whether pi is important to Him doesn’t address the central question: Is the biblical value correct?
We’re not speculating on what God should or shouldn’t do. We’re pointing out that if the Bible is presenting divine truth, even in small things, then presenting π as 3 is objectively incorrect. Brushing that off as “unnecessary” may make it feel unimportant, but it doesn’t make it true.
It isn't an error. It was an effective and sufficient measurement commonly used. It worked.
Something can be “effective” and still be wrong. The approximation worked in practice—fine. But a mathematical error isn’t excused because it’s convenient. Saying “π = 3” is a falsehood whether or not it got the job done.
This is the difference between practical adequacy and factual correctness. The molten sea may have functioned well, but that doesn’t make 3 the correct value of pi. The Bible reports incorrect math. That’s a factual error, even if it was functionally harmless.
What issue? Not the one I presented nor the one you suppose. You're just doing mathematically what the nationalistic or political do in your quote above.
This is a category error. Math is not ideology. Pointing out that 30 divided by 10 is not pi isn’t political—it’s geometry. You’re accusing me of doing what nationalists do (distorting texts for ideological gain), while I’m doing the opposite: testing a claim against observable, universal truth.
If a circle has a 10-unit diameter and a 30-unit circumference, then π = 3. That’s false. That’s the issue—nothing ideological, just math.
The Bible doesn't teach that its translation is divinely inspired or that God is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent. That's theological and religious nonsense, not Biblically supported.
I appreciate your honesty here. But if you reject inerrancy, divine omniscience, and the idea that the Bible speaks with ultimate authority, then you’re already halfway to the skeptical position.
You’re admitting the Bible is fallible, human, and not always accurate. That’s a major concession. If that’s the case, then yes—this is just another imperfect detail from an imperfect record. That’s what skeptics are saying. You’ve already agreed.
Inerrant truth had nothing to do with it, nor theological humility. We're talking about practicality. If you were on a modern-day construction site and two men were arguing about pi while the other constructed the hot tub God would pick the guy finishing the job, not the two going on about pi.
You’re confusing pragmatism with truth. Sure, the guy building the hot tub might be more useful in the moment—but that doesn’t make 3 a valid value for pi.
We’re not arguing over who’s more useful—we’re pointing out a mathematical inconsistency in a text some people claim is divinely authored. If the Bible is just practical, then no problem. But if it’s supposed to be accurate, then this passage doesn’t hold up. Practicality doesn’t override factual accuracy.
God created the universe. Time. Space. He isn't impressed with pi.
Sure. But again—that’s not the issue. No one claimed God needed to be impressed with pi. The issue is that if God inspired this text, why does it present false math?
You’re changing the subject. This isn’t about God’s ego—it’s about whether a mathematical statement in scripture is correct. It isn’t. Whether God cares or not doesn’t make the numbers add up.
The Bible is the fallible imperfect translation of God's infallible perfect word to a people who lived long ago and far away. It isn't mathematic or scientific divine revelation. So, in order to make the argument you are making you would first have to demonstrate that you have the merit to make it. For example, create your own universe with living beings on it that don't exist. Or maybe even demonstrate that is what God did, which I would like to see. Then you would have to demonstrate infallible science and math. That you know will endure over thousands of years without correction or error. That isn't what science does. And even if it did how would you know it? Because science or God says it?
This is an attempt to shield scripture from critique by raising the bar of criticism to divine levels. That’s not how truth works.
You don’t need to create a universe to recognize a math error. You don’t need to be God to know π ≠ 3. This “prove you’re God first” tactic is just rhetorical smoke. Anyone with a calculator can show the math is wrong. This is not about merit—it’s about facts.
You’ve already said the Bible is fallible and imperfect. If so, then it can contain errors—and this is one of them. You don’t need to invent a new world to point that out.
Theological judgment that is demonstrable. We know the alleged God of the aforementioned portions of the Bible approved of the alleged molten sea in the courtyard of the temple under the supervision of Hiram. Anything beyond that would be, at best, theological speculation. Conjecture.
No disagreement there. But whether God approved of the molten sea isn’t the point. The issue is whether the measurement described in the text is mathematically correct.
It’s not. That’s not speculation—that’s a calculation. So whatever God may have approved of is beside the point. The math remains wrong.
No claim of scriptural inerrancy in translation was made by me or the Bible. In fact, I would know better than to make such a claim. I don't see, though, how you can argue that there is a mathematical error
You just admitted the Bible is fallible. So a mathematical error should be easy to acknowledge. If π = 3 is recorded in the text—and it is—then that’s an error. It’s not opinion. It’s math. You can say it doesn’t matter, or that it’s minor, or that it worked—but you can’t say it’s correct.
I'm not arguing that God is, like me, not very good with math, or that God wasn't capable of relating to the people who may or may not have actually had available the knowledge you've suggested was available in Egypt and Babylon. Do you see what I'm saying?
Yes, I see. You’re saying God could’ve done better, but didn’t—which supports my point. You’re acknowledging that the knowledge existed, but the text doesn’t reflect it. So again, this is human-level approximation, not divine insight.
You can't demonstrate that Egypt and Babylon's gods were better directing their people and so their gods must have been the math gods because it isn't necessary. None of it makes sense to me no matter how I look at it.
No one is saying their gods were better. What we are saying is: those civilizations had more accurate knowledge, and the Bible didn’t reflect it. That undermines claims that the Bible contains superior divine revelation.
This isn’t about divine competition—it’s about what’s true. And here, the Bible simply reflects an outdated approximation.
If the skeptical argument is that if the Bible was divinely inspired it would have blown us away in math is just silly.
That’s not the argument. The argument is: If the Bible is divinely inspired, it shouldn’t contain demonstrable factual errors. This is one. A circle with a 10-unit diameter and a 30-unit circumference implies π = 3, which is wrong.
You’ve already conceded the Bible is imperfect. That means it can be factually wrong. So we agree—this is human, not divine. That’s the only point skeptics are making.
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